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  From:  sozo777   Dec-1 9:22 am  
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You may be sick or know someone who is sick and the doctors say there is no hope! I have good news for you ... there is hope for healing found in the Holy Bible. 
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A very important scripture in healing is found in the book of Isaiah, Chapter 53 (found in the Old Testament). These words were prophesied about 2,700 years ago. 

Isaiah 53, verses 3 to 6 are set out below followed by meanings of some of the key words based on Young' s Analytical Concordance. 

Isa. 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 

grief(s) ...choli ( Heb. ) meaning sickness, weakness, pain 
sorrows ...makob (Heb. ) meaning pain 
stripes... chaburah ( Heb.) meaning a bruise, bandage, scar 
healed...rapha ( Heb. ) meaning to heal, be healed . 
iniquity(ies)...avon ( Heb.) meaning perversity . 
transgressions...pesha ( Heb.) meaning transgression, rebellion. 

It is instructive to read these same verses in Young's Literal Translation, noting in particular verse 4. 

4 Surely our sicknesses he hath borne, And our pains -- he hath carried them, And we -- we have esteemed him plagued, Smitten of God, and afflicted. 

Also according to a Hebrew speaking friend of mine one can write a simple mathematical expression based on verse 5:- 

His stripes = our healing 

Also note Matthew 8: 16,17 

16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: 
17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias (Isaiah) the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses. 

Moving forward in time to approximately 65 AD, over 30 years after the cross Apostle Peter wrote the following: 

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. (_1 Peter 2:24). 
The Greek word used for healed ( iaomai ( Grk. ) ) is that from which we obtain the Greek word for doctor. 

Based on 1 Peter 2: 24b, the Bible says we were healed not will be. In other words, if one is saved then we are the healthy trying to stop the enemy steal our healing not the sick trying to be healed! 

You may say I can see that in principle but how does it operate in practice. To answer this question one testimony may be instructive. 

In 1989, one well known preacher had sugar diabetes; his sugar level was so high that the doctor was surprised that he was not in a coma. He sent his wife out to procure every healing tape in the city in which he resided. He reported that God healed him and several years later testified to God' s healing power in this regard. 

You may be still sceptical but I challenge you to be a Berean (Acts 17: 11) ... Check it out in the WORD for yourself. 

Personally one of my daily confessions is, " Thank you Lord that I was healed from the crown of my head to the soles of my feet according to your Word, by whose stripes ye were healed. " 

 
  
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  From:  Michael (AllofGrace)    Dec-1 12:09 pm  
To:  sozo777   (2 of 29)  
 
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If Jesus really died for our physical healing (redeemed us physically), then why does Roman 8:23 say that we are still waiting for the redemption of our bodies?

Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Also, 1 Peter 2:24 in context interprets Isa 53 to apply to being healed of sins, not physical sickness.

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Jesus used this same analogy:

Mark 2:16-17 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners? When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Michael
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Dec-1 3:48 pm  
To:  Michael (AllofGrace)    (3 of 29)  
 
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Hi Michael,

Excellent post!

I'm in agreement with you.

I was just in a discussion this morning about this very topic. Someone told me that it is God's will that everyone is physically healed.

Later as we were talking he was telling me about his pastor that became so sick and how he passed away and is now "walking the streets of gold" and my reply was that "well he is healed now."

 I agree fully that everyone who acknowledges Jesus as God will be healed and many people are physically healed by God here and now but Whole healing occurs upon the redemption of our bodies.

One point that I want to make about God removing our problems, trials and obstacles in  life is that for example I get sick and God then heals me, but then I still have other problems like money problems so then God heals my finances, yet I have car problems so God heals my car and then I get sick again so God heals me again and I mismanaged my finances so I'm broke again and on and on. This then becomes a misrepresentation of Who and What God is and is doing in the lives of Humans. God is not our genie in a bottle, God is our constant companion walking with us through life's difficulties.

We are All still consigned while here on earth to eat the fruit of the tree of good and evil that has not changed what has changed is that we now have Jesus/Comfort in our trials and the knowledge that we will be made Whole (Salvation) upon our own Resurrection when we receive our new Spiritual body.

God Bless you,
David




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  From:  8320john1   Dec-2 4:03 am  
To:  Michael (AllofGrace)    (4 of 29)  
 
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Your question should answer itself with a bit of common sense. 
PHYSICAL HEALING IS A REALITY AND IT SHOULD BE SOUGHT AND IT SHOULD BE A COMMON FUNCTION OF THE CHURCH TO PRAY BELIEVINGLY FOR THE PHYSICAL HEALING OF THE SICK AND INFIRM THAT THEY MAY LIVE OUT THEIR SPAN IN HEALTH AND SERVICE. (caps for emphasis) 

Healing is not eternal life, nor is it ever said to be, but rather, an avenue that one may live out their span in the service of the Lord. For the very old, it is a different matter, but even here one should still pray for the healing of the individual which does not swallow up death but merely continues mortal life in health until the moment one is called higher. 

Unfortunately the Bibilical concept of healing has been polluted by the various scarecrows in the land, but that does not invalidate the truth of healing from a Biblical perspective. 

If you ever fall ill, do NOT call for prayer or believe that God will raise you up, even if you are only 30 years old...just go ahead and die. 

Really?? No, not really. You probably would be the first to seek the healing power of God to overpower the pain and suffering. It's almost always the hot shot "God ain't in the healing business anymore" type that generally has his mind changed when a crisis strikes. 

I know of an aged minister (still living as fas as I know) who stood four square against healing when the post WW2 healing evangelism revival hit the nation. Then one day, many years after all that blew over, one of his elders was miraculously healed in his church. There was a change of theology after that event. 

Healing is still in effect as it was in the days of the Apostles and the Lord Yeshua. 

"Call for the elders," is the directive of the apostle. 

Too bad so many are so Biblically dimwitted these days and so faithless that results from ignorance.
 
  
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  From:  sozo777   Dec-2 5:01 am  
To:  8320john1   (5 of 29)  
 
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Many thanks for your reply. 
As an example of a modern healing miracle the one associated with Betty Baxter is good. She was a dying cripple ( when she was child ) but she had faith that Jesus Christ would heal her. After revealing the exact day and hour that He would (Sunday August 24th, 1941 at 3:00 PM) Jesus did heal her completely. She has since taken up the call of God to go and tell her story all over the world. 

Because of this miracle she has had another approx. 60 years added to her life! 

The testimony can be read / listened to at @ 

http://www.geocities.com/bettybaxterstory/index2.html 

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Personally, I have not been to the doctors or dentists for about 15 years. Also during this time I have not taken any natural medicine. 

I give the Lord all the glory for this!!! 

Shalom, 

Sozo. 

 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Dec-2 7:35 am  
To:  8320john1   (6 of 29)  
 
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Hi John,

Thanks for your Excellent comments!!

I'm glad that you are keeping the perspective that God cares about our burdens and that He is the healer of our pains.

God Bless you Always,
David




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  From:  Michael (AllofGrace)    Dec-2 11:59 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (7 of 29)  
 
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I was just in a discussion this morning about this very topic. Someone told me that it is God's will that everyone is physically healed.

Hi David,

Unfortunately, I have heard this very often as well. Years ago when my wife and I were new believers, we mistakenly began attending a "full gospel" church. We were taught there that Jesus died so that we could be physically healed. I will never forget setting in the emergency room with my wife as she was in the process of having a miscarriage. We had been taught that if we just believed hard enough that no harm could ever come to us. We tried and tried to work up enough faith to be able to save the baby, but nothing we did seemed to work. The baby died. 

It was then that God began to show us the error of that system and bring us out of the movement. How nice it was to finally rest and just trust in God no matter what. Faith is no longer something that we do, but simply trusting in God and leaving the results to Him. :o)

Your brother in Christ,

Michael
 
  
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  From:  Michael (AllofGrace)    Dec-2 12:05 pm  
To:  8320john1   (8 of 29)  
 
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You seem to have misunderstood my post. I was not suggesting that healing does not take place today. Of course it does. I was only saying that it is not ALWAYS God's will to heal and that healing in not something that is guaranteed to every believer if they will just "have enough faith". 
Michael
 
  
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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)     Dec-2 12:16 pm  
To:  Michael (AllofGrace)    (9 of 29)  
 
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Hi Michael,

I'm so sorry about your baby, and the terrible thing you and your wife had to go through while your baby died.  How horrible to think that you just couldn't muster up 'enough faith' to save your child.  I'm glad you realize the truth of 'who' and 'how' God really is now.   God is God, there is no other.  We can't understand so much of what He has for us in this life, but we can rest in knowing that HE is God and will do what HE will do.  We can look to the Word to see Job understanding this simple message, and also to find comfort as God reminds us that HE is in control of ALL things.  

God bless you and yours, Michael.

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  From:  Michael (AllofGrace)    Dec-2 12:55 pm  
To:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    (10 of 29)  
 
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Amen! Very wise words. I just feel for those who are still in this kind of teaching. How much havoc it must cause in people's lives. Thanks Amy!  
Michael
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Dec-2 2:37 pm  
To:  Michael (AllofGrace)    (11 of 29)  
 
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Hi Michael,

What you described is exactly the concept that I was trying to convey in the "Faith" section of Basic Christian: Theology.

www.BasicChristian.org/theology.html#Faith

I volunteer as a counselor at a Pregnancy (pro-life) Center and have had several discussions with people who have gone through the very same thing in the loss of thier child and are in even greater pain wondering what they did wrong and why their faith was inadequate.

I tried to console them that our Faith is in God and therefore we can be confident that God has this very situation in his hands and that their baby is safe, happy, and sound in Heaven with God. 

I agree, it is much better to focus on God then on ourselves!

Also the actual events of Life are a good Reality Check to one's own personal Theology and beliefs. When life is operating different from our own perspective it is a good time re-examine what our concept of that doctrine is and to re-examine Bible verses dealing with it.

God Bless you,
David




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  From:  8320john1   Dec-2 2:47 pm  
To:  Michael (AllofGrace)    (12 of 29)  
 
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I extend my sympathy for the death of your child. It is a hard thing to experience. One of the greatest men on the field of the post WW2 "healing evangelism" revival lost his infant daughter to typhoid during the depression years, early '30's. It was a time of testing for him and needless to say a great loss. He did however, learn a very vital lesson. 
And it is true that not all are healed, but I can find no Scripture that requires me to believe God has said it is NOT His Will to heal when based upon sufficient faith. Otherwise, Jesus was in error when He said, "...according to your FAITH, be it unto you." 

There are conditions for healing ofttimes. Repentance, restitutions, fence mending, forgiving others, many other areas of our life that may need revision before healing is accomplished. This might stand in the way of True Faith. Bear in mind that Faith is not HOPE or DESIRE necessarily, but a knowing that one has received whatsoever they have asked. This True Faith is Heaven Given and cannot be generated by the efforts of man. There is a misunderstanding of what real Faith truly is and the need to seek God for it. 

If one is NOT healed, they CANNOT say it was the Will of God because God stands ready to heal as per the directions. Always the directions. If one cannot find their way to health and healing, the fault lies in us and not in the Word of God. We have let EXPERIENCE guide our theology because so many have talk of healing but failed to receive it, they cast the burden on the back of the Lord with the excuse, "...it is not God's Will to heal everyone." Experience is their north star not the Word of God. 

There is "healing" and there are "miracles." Miracles require no faith necessarily because God can sovereignly do a work without the conscious efforts of man. A man or woman may be seeking healing when in fact they need a miracle. If the body has been worn down to the place where the organs cannot function due to disease or abuse over a long period of time, a miracle is what is needed to restore such a one as that. 

Can God refuse to heal a baby? Obviously as baby cannot have faith or be responsible for the lack thereof. Thus, they are in an entirely different catagory of existence, a state of innocence obtains for them. Therefore God may do with His own what He will and man stands aside with an Amen!! "Let it be as thou hast said." Discussion is then over on that point. 

For the adult however that professes Christ, their privilege is access to the Throne of God for ALL their needs, and that includes HEALING. 

I have never found a place in the Gospels that Jesus said, "I won't" when those that sought deliverance came to Him in FAITH. He always said, "I WILL." 

Faith IS the key and Faith must be understood from the Biblical perspective. We cannot excuse ourselves by casting a shadow on the Almighty Who has already spoken to the issue. 

"Christ the Healer." -- FF Bosworth, is a book you might find very helpful. It is still in print, paperback around $10.00 or $12.00 by Kregel Press. Probably the best primer on Biblical Healing extant. 

Peace and Blessings,
 
  
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  From:  Michael (AllofGrace)    Dec-3 12:36 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (13 of 29)  
 
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What you described is exactly the concept that I was trying to convey in the "Faith" section of Basic Christian: Theology.

I will try to check it out when I get the chance. :o) 

Michael
 
  
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  From:  Michael (AllofGrace)    Dec-3 12:42 pm  
To:  8320john1   (14 of 29)  
 
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Sorry, but I do not believe that Scripture teaches that it is always God's will to heal. I can only be convinced by Scripture, but you did not prove it from Scripture. So, I cannot just take your word for it. If I had more time I would give a more complete reply.
Michael
 
  
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  From:  8320john1   Dec-3 12:58 pm  
To:  Michael (AllofGrace)    (15 of 29)  
 
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There is no Scripture that tells us that God is UNwilling to heal...only WILLING. 
"...I will..." -- Yeshua. 

"...according to your FAITH be it unto you..." 

There is more than enough Scripture to prove the willingness of God to heal, none that He is UNwilling. 

Again, the fault is ours, but that is too hard to dal with most of the time so we find in most convenient to pretend God is NOT willing to heal some. 


 
  
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  From:  Michael (AllofGrace)    Dec-4 9:00 am  
To:  8320john1   (16 of 29)  
 
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Tell me, what is your take on the following verse?

Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

Also, if God is willing to heal everyone, then whose fault is it if we do not get healed? If my wife is dying of cancer, is it my fault that I cannot work up enough faith so that she can be healed? Is it her fault? Whose fault is it?


Michael
 
  
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  From:  8320john1   Dec-4 9:50 am  
To:  Michael (AllofGrace)    (17 of 29)  
 
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I don't see that the Exodus passage refutes in any way that God IS willing to heal if the conditions are met. 
Being born blind and being given sight is a MIRACLE not a healing per se. 

Who is to blame? 

We are...surely not God. 

It could well be that you do not have enough faith to see that your wife if healed of cancer. 

You may want to read the book I suggested, "Christ the Healer," by FF Bosworth, Kregel Press. 

It's only when folks become desperate that they often times reach out in areas they never would have explored when hale and hearty. 

Christ is the Healer. 

 
  
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  From:  Michael (AllofGrace)    Dec-4 10:22 am  
To:  8320john1   (18 of 29)  
 
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First, you failed to prove from Scripture that it is God's will to heal everyone. Now you tell me that if my wife dies of cancer that it is both her's and my fault because we did not have enough faith. No thanks! God brought me out of that kind of bondage 12 years ago. I have no desire to go back.
Michael
 
  
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  From:  8320john1   Dec-4 10:46 am  
To:  Michael (AllofGrace)    (19 of 29)  
 
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Please...the proof is right before your eyes but you don't wish to see it fearing that your faith will prove insufficient. 
Yeshua has already (2,000 years ago) spoken to the issue of physical healing. You can read about it in the Gospels. 

I'll not argue the point with you. Read it for yourself...or do without. 

 
  
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   From:  David (DavidABrown)    Dec-4 11:58 am  
To:  ALL   (20 of 29)  
 
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Hi to Everyone,

Here is another consideration.

John 9:1-3 And Jesus passed by, He saw a man which was Blind from his Birth. And His Disciples asked Him, saying, "Master who did Sin, This Man, or His Parents, that he was born blind?" Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, Nor his parents: But that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

God Bless you,
David




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From:  David (DavidABrown)    Dec-4 12:10 pm  
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I just wanted to make the point that it is not a Sin to be sick or in having an illness. 

Therefore Illnesses need not interfere with our relationship with God (unless of course we make it an issue and an interference). Since it is not a sin or an interference, where is it that God is obligated to remove it. True our actions can cause certain illnesses like AIDS but still God is above our physical conditional and God can and does heal people with AIDS and other illnesses according to His will.

In the end in the Resurrection God does remove all illnesses But as Always the Greater Miracle is that God gets us Trough our trials Right here and right Now and that makes for a Bigger more Caring and more Consist God than just a snap the fingers genie.

God Bless You,
David




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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)     Dec-5 8:55 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (22 of 29)  
 
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Thanks for your posts, David.   God will do what God will do.  We have to remember that.   I certainly know that God can and does heal, but that He also allows death and physical destruction to occur on this earth at times:  for HIS glory.    All is for HIS glory, and if WE have to meet any 'conditions, such as 'having enough faith,' then we're all doomed, IMO.    Faith comes FROM God, as does every other thing, including healing.  Resting in the faith that we are given is what is most important, I believe.  Trusting God to do what He will do and that whatever it is will bring glory to His name.  [maybe that sounds defeatest?  I don't know.  but I do know that the Lord works through our trials and sufferings to draw us ever closer to HIM...and He brings good out of every evil that Satan intends for us, because we love Him and are called according to HIS purpose.]

 I so appreciate your heart, David.  God bless you.

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  From:  Michael (AllofGrace)    Dec-5 9:02 am  
To:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    (23 of 29)  
 
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Amen! Thank you Amy for bringing a Biblical mindset to this discussion. I agree completely. :o)
Michael
 
  
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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)     Dec-5 9:19 am  
To:  Michael (AllofGrace)    (24 of 29)  
 
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God bless you, Michael.  :)
 
 
 

 
  
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  From:  Michael (AllofGrace)    Dec-5 11:57 am  
To:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    (25 of 29)  
 
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And you as well, sis. :o)
Michael
 
  
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  From:  IM4GIVN2   Dec-5 10:04 pm  
To:  sozo777   (26 of 29)  
 
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By His stripes I am healed, and am standing on His Word, I am in His hands, and I will be very honest, I do not trust the doctors. I have the great Physician, and I am trusting Jesus! God Bless! :) 
Rose
 
  
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  From:  sozo777   Dec-6 2:30 am  
To:  IM4GIVN2   (27 of 29)  
 
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I agree with the position of Rose (and I believe the other brother.) 
" By His stripes I was healed, and am standing on His Word, I am in His hands, ... I have the great Physician, and I am trusting Jesus!" 

Every blessing, 
Sozo. 

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  From:  8320john1   Dec-6 6:41 am  
To:  sozo777 unread  (28 of 29)  
 
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Anyone that aspires to healing would do well to obtain and read the book, (copyright 1924) "Christ the Healer," by FF Bosworth. Still in print in paper back for about $10.00 or so printed by Kregel Press. 
 
  
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   From:  IM4GIVN2   Dec-6 9:20 pm  
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Thank you for the information. :) 
  
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